I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. Thank you in advance. Youre writing is inspired. Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. So sad! 13 . thanks!! And what does it mean our 12th. I feel so helpless! Venus in 12th House Man. 4 months passed since then. Hes Gemini sun . Click on "Chart Type" >>. It has been a very long journey! The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. should i run away from this relationship? We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. Im a Pisces sun 7house. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. Those with this placement can benefit significantly from learning how to . Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). November 9, 2012 astrologyanonymous27. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. or sth. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. Its weird weird weird . Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. I feel so relieved after reading it because I really thought i was crazy. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? . such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . I noticed you dont offer composite readings. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. He didnt want to commit/marry. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. It can be in a subconscious way, and you subconsciously want to have all of the power and control. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. What to make of this? And it KILLS ME! I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. Learn More. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. Me and my friend have composite sun conj. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. Reply. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. It also works the other way. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? great post- thank you! The attraction was instant. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. I had to spend years unlearning what love is to me and settle with how individuals differ in what we value in a relationship. I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! I cant really comment without seeing the charts. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Please your opinion. I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. Composite Pluto in the 12th House With Composite Pluto in the 12th house, you may struggle over power and control in ways that aren't obvious. I am sufficiently haunted. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. And what does it mean our 12th. One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. In astrology, the Twelfth House governs the unconscious, addiction, jails, higher self, and psychic abilities.
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