lol) to give me the answer. That noted, my betting-bux is on 'something else' being 'the root cause' behind this puzzling crash. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182 four-seater, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. Rock was a respected attorney and member of the Louisiana Bar. I watched all three episodes of Utube guy, and I still dont really know what his theory really was. I need to wait for Dan (you? Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry on Tuesday, Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso announced Wednesday. I suggested this in comments a couple of other places, and every time I've gotten ripped on about how wrong I was, and I probably am wrong, but I had a gut feeling about this when I first heard of it, two guys in a modern regular nothing special airplane doing minor training, returning to the airport, aircraft was 4,000 AGL then inexplicably nosedives into the ground, severe clear visibility calm winds, no obvious weather or mechanical reason for the crash. The National Transportation Safety Board said the single-engine plane crashed around 9:30 a.m. Straight line from where? BATON ROUGE, La. @Trimble - No CFI would roll or allow his student to roll a 182.Your first paragraph seems to be describing a loop, not a roll. Mancuso apologized for his demeanor and outburst of emotion during the conference. When that happens, if you come out of the botched slow roll, you level out traveling in a direction at an angle of about 50 t0 80 degrees from your original course in the direction opposite of the direction of the attempted roll. Two witnesses were in close proximity to the accident site, but different locations, stated that they observed the airplane in a rapid descent with the nose pointed at the ground. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. To view all the aviation investigation items released by NTSB, CLICK HERE. He and the department announced the death of Rock Palermo who was employed by the sheriff's office. Other questions:subscriberservices@theadvocate.com. They took off, flew out somewhere to do a bunch of maneuvers, were flying back some distance, got close to home, decided to try a slow roll, smurfed it, augered it straight into the mud. In July of 1973, the National Transportation Safety Board ruled that Clemente's DC-7 was 4,200 pounds overweight, and that it had not been flown in over four months. Would like to ask for a line of discussion about the lack of a mayday call, which hasn't been previously discussed in this thread. It would be much easier to do if you are solo. 6. Winds will ease into the evening. Probably doing some night flying just to stay current. Clements, 61, was flying alone from Alberta, Canada, to California on Feb. 22, 2015. Smoke billows after a small touring plane crashed over the San Donato Milanese district in Milan. Loss of elevator authority as speed reduced at 4500 feet. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. He was a lifetime member of the Louisiana Coastal Conservation Association (CCA), which is a non-profit organization dedicated to the conservation of Louisianas marine resources. These are the ones that really concern me. Good point, thanks. You can be sure that he did NOT find the blade, because he says he left it there. Richard Don Clements, 55, a well-respected financial planner and talented musician, died on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 in an aviation accident. NEW ORLEANS (AP) The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National Transportation Safety Board reported Thursday. The Pulaski County, Arkansas, Sheriff's Office confirmed it had responded at about noon local time. As noted earlier, The airplane reached about 4,500 ft above ground level (agl), as the airspeed decreased.and "recorded ADS-B data distance From: 4,325 feet @ 29.9898 -93.3416 To: Wreckage and Impact Information Latitude, Longitude: 30.009412,-93.330048 (est) has a Calculated Distance Straight line distance of only 1.28 miles"Apparent mechanical failure, or failure in the cabin.. "The crankshaft sheared aft of the propeller flange. He kept me composed. Port Allen Pelicans basketball team soaring toward fourth-straight state title, Sample duo leading Scotlandville into playoffs, For help accessing the WBRZ-TV Public File, contact: Joey Verrett at, LSU gymnastics club meet brings tourists to downtown Baton Rouge. THE FORECAST He was preceded in death by his father, Joseph R. Palermo, Jr. Rock delighted in all things involving his family. The grieving families need the analysis to be done on that blade. Palermo was a local attorney at Veron, Bice, Palermo & Wilson and was a pilot with the Calcasieu Parish Sheriffs Office. As expected, he didn't find it, just a lie told for clicks. GREENVILLE, S.C. - No. Distance From: 4,325 feet @ 29.9898 -93.3416 Distance To: Wreckage and Impact Information Latitude, Longitude: 30.009412,-93.330048 (est)Calculated Distance Straight line distance: 1.28 miles , 2.07 kilometers (km) , 6785 feet , 2068 meters. Watch the 2 Your Health report for Thursday, Watch the 2 Your Health report for Tuesday, Crawfish Tracker: Signs of life (and price drops). A talented photographer, he documented his familys numerous trips and adventures. The youtube guy's 3rd dramatic video came out but has no photo or any mention about the missing blade. Philip Clements, a 62-year-old Chester Township man, was killed in the crash and was the lone passenger on the plane. Hes just one of those people you cant replace.. I forgot to mention that the model Spacewalker with the three-blade prop would immediately recover and glide normally if I shut the engine off, too. Answer: He didn't find it. 0:00. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. The intentional lie about finding the missing blade showed how little regard for their loss the tuber actually has. Winds will ease into the evening. No matter how much his soul hates the NTSB, only a cruel ghoul would leave the wreck site without making sure the blade got into hands-on possession of the local FSDO. Wednesday afternoon, a procession was held as Palermo was brought to a Jennings funeral home, click here for more. There was not immediate information about arrangements. NEW ORLEANS The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in the crash, Johnson said. His love for the Calcasieu Parish Sheriffs Department enabled him to serve his community as Captain of the Aviation Unit.Rock graduated from LSU Law School in 1992 and from LSU with a bachelors degree in 1987. The plane took off again about 5:13 p.m. and crashed about a half-hour later. Clemente's plane was allegedly "unfit" to fly. The crankshaft sheared aft of the propeller flange. Palermo was an attorney for the Calcasieu Parish Sheriffs Office, they said. The empennage was crushed and distorted. The descent then increased rapidly. Cameron Sheriff: Two bodies recovered from plane crash near Hackberry, LSU WR Malik Nabers arrested in New Orleans; prosecutors refuse to charge with condition, Road closed following fire at Entergy substation, Charges upgraded for suspect arrested in deadly shooting, police say, Health experts, former athletes respond to NCAAs proposal to reduce game time and plays. The family respectfully asks that visitors wear masks and practice social distancing, adhering to local regulations regarding COVID-19. Dive overspeed certainly could toss the blade. Probable causes are generally given in final reports, which can take a year or more. He may have not been able to retrieve it. He was a partner in the firm of Veron, Bice, Palermo & Wilson in Lake Charles, and he was a founding member of the Judge Albert Tate Inn of Court. Could forward CG tail stall and slow airspeed be maintained (full aft elevator, lack of elevator authority) all the way to the ground with nose down? Flight instructor, student pilot identified as victims in fatal plane crash near Hackberry. LAKE CHARLES, La. i could tell him to study something, hed come in and hed know more about it than me, he said. HACKBERRY, La. The Cessna 182 was destroyed when it crashed straight down onto an island northeast of Hackberry in Cameron Parish and sank 15 feet (4.6 meters) down into the soft soil, the NTSB preliminary. NORTH PLATTE, Neb. This plane in a local hangar belonged to Palermo. This proposed AD was prompted by a report of cracks found in the tailcone and horizontal stabilizer attachment structure. The plane crashed near an industrial area a few miles to the south of the Little Rock airport. Copyright 2021 KPLC. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182 four-seater, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. Don, a Certified Financial Planner CFP professional, had been active in investing and financial planning since 2002. While at LSU Law School he was selected to the Moot Court Board. The Veron Bice family is saddened by the loss of our founding partner, Rock Palermo. Beefier police presence planned at football game after BRPD chief got into scuffle while making arrest near campus. Romanian billionaire Dan Petrescu and his family were killed in . Little did they know but nine (9) years later, in 2002, Nancy, Don and their two children, Will and Mary Kathryn would become devoted members of First United Methodist Church in Lake Charles. To reach the newsroom or report a typo/correction, click HERE. NTSB, do your job. He is survived by his wife, Nancy, and their children, Mary Kathryn and Will. Other questions:subscriberservices@theadvocate.com. Local pilot Steve Thompson admits they may never know due to damage to the aircraft. They're not "investigating" anything. The initial impact crater extended about 15 ft deep and contained a majority of the airplane, to include the engine, propeller, fuselage, and empennage. He should be smart enough to simply ask someone else to report the find to the FSDO if his ongoing vendetta complicates doing so on his own. Makes no sense to claim "non-existent investigation" when the preliminary report describes verification of control continuity by examination for tensile overload separations and a determination of as-found fuel selector position. Bold criminal secretly relaunched massage parlor prostitution ring as he cut a deal with prosecutors. whatever you told him to study, he studied it. Sheriff Ron Johnson told KPLC that the plane crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. Don't count on him providing a true photo of that blade, dug out of the sand bar.The grieving families will suffer his "leaving it" as cruelty. Two bodies were removed from the plane that crashed Tuesday evening on a small island near Hackberry, Cameron Parish Sheriff Ron Johnson told news agencies. Two bodies were recovered from the wreckage. Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Johnsons said. It flew great with a two-blade prop. yeah these are the crashes that really bother me --the unknown cause ones .That's when I consider --should I really be flying planes ? Yes indeed! According to a co-owner of the airplane, the private pilot had just bought a share of the accident airplane and was in the process of accumulating flight hours for complex and higherformance aircraft endorsements. This is the type of crash that likely catches LOTS of self-aware pilots' attentionInre your (Winchman's) observation/question noted in the 1st paragraph, writing as a (never-used-for-income) aerospace-engineering-degreed, ~2600-hr glider-only pilot who also 'messed around w. RC gliders', one 'obvious difference' between RC power planes and full-sized ones is what I'll call 'prop-disc-area/mass ratio' differences, with the RC 'ratio' being considerably higher than that for man-carrying (182) equivalents. Don was passionate about helping clients prepare financially for their best life possible. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry on Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. BATON ROUGE - One week into Lent and the crawfish market is seeing one of its first significant drops of the season. Barbe High orchestra plays at Lake Charles Airport, Lake Charles residents concerned about cracked pavement. An obituary for Rock Palermo can be found HERE. Calcasieu Sheriff Tony Mancuso got emotional while speaking Wednesday morning at a news conference. No CFI would loop or allow his student to loop a 182.Not surprised that your "gut feeling" was criticized. The plane then submerged, he told. Bold criminal secretly relaunched massage parlor prostitution ring as he cut a Federal, local dollars at work clearing waterways in EBR. There is a long standing agreement between the NTSB and the FAA that the NTSB, because of being short-staffed, has the official authority and do relegate most general aviation accidents solely to the FAA. Perhaps, as a poster mentioned earlier, the trim could be stuck ("runaway") at a nose down attitude for the dive portion of this accident. File photo of police lights (iStockPhoto). You are misinterpreting your RC observations.Aircraft would be falling out of the sly every day if throttling back blanked the elevator.The man actually is off on a crazy idea, but nonsense on youtube always finds devoted followers. A debris field that consisted of the wings and smaller airplane components extended about 40 yards from the crater. Louisiana authorities had identified the pilot earlier as Richard Don Clements and his instructor as Rock Palermo. he always worked hard. Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso spoke at a press conference on Wednesday morning. Give Light and the People Will Find Their Own Way. Cameron Parish and Calcasieu Parish authorities worked throughout the night investigating the crash, but are turning over the investigation to a Federal Aviation Administration crew out of Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas. If that happened, NTSB examination of the connection points in the elevator controls for lost fasteners will find one. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Johnsons said. Visitation will be at the church from 12:00-3:00 pm. The engine sustained significant impact damage and was saturated with mud. According to the airplane broker, on the day of the accident the private pilot called to report that he had just completed a 1-hour flight in the accident airplane to satisfy the insurance policy requirements. If Rock couldnt recover from this, I dont think anyone else could, said Kerbow. Well, if the cause is "something else" there is zero chance that we'll find out anything about it through a non-existent investigation by the NTSB or the FAA. Don was dearly loved by the entire Shaddock family, numerous relatives and friends. LSU pitcher Paul Skenes LSU women's basketball beats Georgia 83-66 in SEC Tournament matchup. Forward CG would make the scenario begin as you describe, but airspeed increase in a dive from 4500 restores elevator authority with plenty of altitude remaining. Sign up for newsletters emailed to your inbox. The wings had separated from the fuselage and were crushed aft to the rear wing spar. In what way am I misinterpreting my observations?BTW, I'm a low-time private pilot who owned a C172 in the late'90s, and I've also logged about forty hours in a C182. An avid SCUBA diver and instructor, Rock first met Kim while teaching her SCUBA diving class. There was a problem saving your notification. Look it up. The wreckage was recovered to a secure storage facility where an engine and airframe examination was completed under the supervision of a Federal Aviation Administration inspector. HACKBERRY, La. The engine was unable to rotate through due to the impact damage. Mancuso was visibly upset by his passing as spoke to those assembled, "He is one of those people you can't replace.". The demonizing of the NTSB over not traveling to this accident included the untruthful claim "I found the missing blade". Prior to his career as a Financial Advisor, Don worked as a trader in the energy business, and as a CPA in a public accounting firm. Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Cameron Parish Sheriff Don Johnson said Tuesday evening. No dive. Don and his wife, Nancy chaired the Big Lake Invitational Fishing Tournament for many years. Rocks love for flying connected him to a childhood dream of policing his neighbors on Palermo Drive. The airplane began a slow descent, which increased rapidly until the final recorded point. All rights reserved. The 1972 Puerto Rico DC-7 crash was an aviation accident that occurred on December 31, 1972, in Carolina, Puerto Rico. NEW ORLEANS (AP) The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National Transportation Safety Board reported Thursday. 2:22. Palermo was a local attorney at Veron, Bice, Palermo & Wilson and was a pilot with the Calcasieu Parish Sheriffs Office. The plane impacted soft, muddy ground near Hackberry, causing a crater that extended 15 feet deep and covering the majority of the plane. BATON ROUGE - Friday, the LSU Tigers participated in the Podium Challenge, a gymnastics club meet featuring teams from California, Washington and George Washington Universities. Either the pilots made no control input to the elevator or it was mechanically disconnected or impeded.There is a remote possibility that a thru-bolt vibrated out of a connection near the yoke and forward elevator bellcrank, having spun off it's castellated nut due to a omitted cotter pin.What source of vibration could suddenly finish shaking loose an unsecured control connection as they recovered from a practice stall? Both Thompson and Alex Kerbow were trained by Palermo to be commercial pilots and flight instructors. It would seem the elevator itself could be jammed instead. Easier to commit suicide solo, but looks more like an accident if there are two in the plane. Accused murderer cleared by Baton Rouge jury after representing himself in court, released from jail, School accused of ignoring sexual misconduct of student later arrested in high-profile rape case. Bold criminal secretly relaunched massage parlor prostitution ring as he cut a Federal, local dollars at work clearing waterways in EBR. He's blaming the crash on the theory that the three-bladed prop at idle created a flat disc effect that stopped air flow to the elevator and recovery from a stall.I know about a three-bladed prop having a flat disc effect at low throttle from my experience with giant scale model planes. Palermo was also a local attorney at Veron, Bice, Palermo & Wilson. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182 four-seater, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. More controversy for clicks and useful in the relentless vendetta against NTSB. Two witnesses told investigators that the plane plunged nose-down, without any rotation. Scene of plane crash near Hackberry in Cameron Parish February 3, 2021 . (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. If they weren't stuck with tunnel vision grip on full aft yoke, they could have pushed forward and added power to get the tail plane flying again and regained control. Don't get taken in by the constant criticism of NTSB and FAA efforts. @ http://kirtlandflightcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/C182-POH.pdf notes that "Prompt lowering of the nose to maintain airspeed and establish a glide attitude is the first response to an engine failure" and a Figure indicating at a 'speed 70 kias, prop windmilling, flaps up, zero wind" the ideal glide distance from 4,000 AGL to ground is 6 miles." HACKBERRY, La. He was happiest in the clouds. Cameron Sheriff: Two bodies recovered from plane crash near Hackberry, La. HACKBERRY, La. Rock is survived by his wife of 27 years, Kim; three children, Rachel Palermo, Ryan Palermo (Madison), and Sarah Palermo; mother, Jackie Palermo; mother-in-law and father-in-law, Jenny and Reggie Keogh; brother, Lance Palermo (Tonia); sisters, Ashley Palermo (Nick Goodling) and Alisha Palermo; brother-in-law, Scott Seeliger (Sheila); sister-in-law, Keri Keogh (Dave); nieces and nephews, Mikayla Seeliger, Mikenna Seeliger, Grayson Palermo, Addison Goodling, and Reid Goodling; aunts and uncles, Mary Ann Fiorenza, Tony Palermo, Sr. (Tina), Gil Manuel (Brenda), Johnny Manuel (Mona), Phil Manuel (Pam), and Matt Manuel (Carey); and numerous loving cousins and extended family. When the last jumper goes out or you're doing a hammerhead stall in a glider and the aircraft is simply falling out of the sky, pointed straight down at the ground, you get comfortable waiting for the wing to start flying before easing back on the elevator. etc. Records show that the days first flight ended about 2:36 p.m. They were aboard a 1979 Cessna 182Q, of which Clements had recently become part owner of.. At impact, the remaining two blades cause the crankshaft to shear aft of the propeller flange. On Feb. 2, 2021, an aircraft went down, killing both men on board, Rock Palermo and Don Clements. Observation Facility, Elevation: KLCH,9 ft msl, Distance from Accident Site: 9 Nautical Miles, Wind Speed/Gusts, Direction: 4 knots / , 200, Latitude, Longitude: 30.009412,-93.330048 (est). During a news conference livestreamed by the station, Mancuso said that when talking with Palermos wife, I joked that Rock was only an attorney so he could have a hobby of being a policeman and a pilot. He is survived by his wife, Nancy, and their children, Mary Kathryn and Will. They consider him a mentor and the best pilot they knew. or a practice incipient spin, that got the spin stopped , but the nose did not come up, due to forward c of g? Copyright 2022 KPLC. All rights reserved. Daniel Dal Zennaro/EPA-EFE/Shutt. (KPLC) -The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the deadly crash that claimed the life of two well known citizens in our area. Another partial owner of the plane told investigators that the pilot had just bought a share of the aircraft and was accumulating flight hours to get rated for complex and high-performance planes, according to the report. 7 California, No. Paul Skenes fans a career high 13 in No. The report did not identify any witnesses by name. In addition to holding the prestigious Certified Financial Planner certificate, Don held advanced designations in the field of retirement income planning, RICP, and retirement plans, CRPC. Two of the propeller blades remained attached to the propeller hub and one blade was not recovered. I propose that they had been doing training for an hour or so in a practice area, were returning to the airport traveling in a straight line for many miles, when they got within eyesight of the airport and were thinking the fun was almost over, for whatever reason, they attempted a slow roll to the left, they had forward CG (close to, at, or beyond limits is not known, but probably somewhere forward), so when they went over the top and were inverted, the nose started to fall to the ground. Rock touched many, many people and this is about as tough a loss as you can get for this office and this community, Mancuso said. Certified flight instructors who own Plane Simple Flight School learned from Palermo. More people need to call out their dereliction of duty. HACKBERRY, La. He was simultaneously their biggest cheerleader and real life superhero. Control malfunction? No words exist to describe the void that will be left by Rocks absence. Don Clements Death - Obituary | Accident : Dead-Death has learned the passing of Don Clements who has died in a plane crash that occurred in Hackberry.. The Cessna 182Q Skylane II tends to glide well all things considered, even if the engine wasn't rotating as in, it'd not tailover like that. [3] Clements-Mann graduated from Texas Tech University in 1968 and received her medical degree from the University of Texas in 1972. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182. The tail plane remained, perhaps, in an out of stall all the way to the ground. Throwing a blade as they throttled back up would do it. The plane then submerged, hetoldThe American-Press. The plane, an Aerofab Lake LA-4-250, hit trees and terrain shortly after takeoff around 8:48 p.m. on Tuesday, Sept. 8, the report said. That is the question we would ALL like to know, but the NTSB didn't even bother to go to the accident location. You have permission to edit this article. The report said two of the propeller's three blades were on the hub at the nose of the plane, but the third was not found. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. The 182Q N4765N accident aircraft does not have the tailcone design that the AD applies to. Stream LIVE news here. Beefier police presence planned at football game after BRPD chief got into scuffle while making arrest near campus. The sales broker for the plane told investigators that on the day of the crash, the pilot reported completing a one-hour flight to meet insurance policy requirements. SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) The Canadian pilot of a small plane that crashed Sunday in Spokane has died. Two of the propeller blades remained attached to the propeller hub and one blade was not recovered." Two witnesses told investigators that the plane plunged nose-down, without any rotation. Copyright 2021 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. 4 LSU women's basketball Watch the 2 Your Health report for Friday, March 3, 2023. if I need to take the controls, I will take the controls, said Kerbow. It gave a number of details about the circumstances of the flight but did not indicate what caused the crash. He was in the back seat of the airplane the day before when the two accidents pilots were conducting a training flight. Cameron Parish and Calcasieu Parish authorities worked throughout the night investigating the crash, but are turning over the investigation to a Federal Aviation Administration crew out of Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas. See March 8, 2021 at 10:18:00 AM EST comment discussion string up thread on search for the missing blade. Googled the N number to find the NTSB report and ended up here, Ive never seen this site before, Ive never commented here, So I appologise if my comment is not welcome. The Cessna 182 was destroyed when it crashed straight down onto an island northeast of Hackberry in Cameron Parish and sank 15 feet (4.6 meters) down into the soft soil, the NTSB preliminary report said. Both men were well known in Southwest Louisiana and had touched the lives of many. For example, look up "Free energy device" on youtube and notice how many people believe in perpetual motion. Extremely unlikely that one pilot would decide to kill himself with another pilot in the plane. Airspeed remained just above wing stall all the way to the ground. So sad for these pilots, probably not due to anything they did wrong. BATON ROUGE - A man arrested for running Friday PM Forecast: starting weekend cooler then trending warmer. It's easy to understand accidents that have a clear path of poor decisions. Id say he just wasnt able to retrieve from wherever it was. The passenger plane with 190 people on board crashed at the Calicut airport in the southern state of Kerala, killing 21 people. 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